#169514: "Provide players with the option to disable scoring animations"
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Tarkka kuvaus
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• Kopioi/liitä virheilmoitus näytöltäsi, jos sait sellaisen.
In Carcassonne, scoring animations occur after a player completes features during their turn. In other words, the animations occur at the beginning of the following player’s turn. This has two consequences that can severely impact tournament games that use fixed time (rather than incremental) clocks: The following player can’t place a tile or meeple until the animations have finished, and their time-remaining clocks don’t reflect the fact that their time is being consumed while the animations are running. Animations could potentially make it impossible for a player to take their last turn without running out of time because even refreshing the game consumes valuable time.
Players can refresh (F5) the game to skip the remaining animations and re-synch the active player’s clock to be consistent with the BGA server’s time. Unfortunately, refreshing a game also takes up time and the game is not visible while the table is refreshing.
Additional details:
The “time remaining clocks” of players and spectators do not count down while animations are occurring. This can be seen in the two streaming video excerpts showing an 8 second delay and 17 second delay (links pasted below). Although the active player’s clocks resume counting down once the animations have finished, they start with the time remaining that the player had before their turn started, rather than with the correct time remaining that also reflects the time it took for the animations to run. Because of this, even under the best connection circumstances, players and spectators see a clock that suggests that the active player has more time remaining than they actually have. Although the active player’s time remaining is “reset” to be consistent with the BGA server’s time once they’ve finished their turn, the time discrepancy persists throughout their turn, making it possible for them to run out of time without realizing it. The two video clips above show that clock discrepancies due to animations can be as much as 17 seconds.
Although this phenomena is only likely to critically impact a player on their last turn (or two) of a fixed-time tournament game, it is not uncommon for players in the World Team Carcassonne Online Championship (WTCOC) to finish games with less than 3 seconds remaining (e.g. 8 out of 205 games played in the first 3 weeks of WTCOC 2025, including 3 players that exceeded the time limit and lost their game as a result).
8 second delay: www.youtube.com/clip/Ugkxa58R5JPxlensRsux1AWFtNnmj_h38GVm
17 second delay: www.youtube.com/clip/UgkxSoBfYPO4q_W3AFiMh3sxiDCX5ClGa7ZU -
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• Mikä on selaimesi?
Google Chrome v136
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• Ole hyvä ja kopioi teksti englanniksi oman kielesi sijasta. Jos sinulla on kuvakaappaus tästä bugista (hyvä käytäntö), voit käyttää valitsemaasi kuvien isännöintipalvelua (snipboard.io ladataksesi sen ja kopioidaksesi/liittääksesi linkin tähän. Onko tämä teksti saatavilla käännösjärjestelmässä? Jos on, onko sen käännöksestä yli 24 tuntia?
In Carcassonne, scoring animations occur after a player completes features during their turn. In other words, the animations occur at the beginning of the following player’s turn. This has two consequences that can severely impact tournament games that use fixed time (rather than incremental) clocks: The following player can’t place a tile or meeple until the animations have finished, and their time-remaining clocks don’t reflect the fact that their time is being consumed while the animations are running. Animations could potentially make it impossible for a player to take their last turn without running out of time because even refreshing the game consumes valuable time.
Players can refresh (F5) the game to skip the remaining animations and re-synch the active player’s clock to be consistent with the BGA server’s time. Unfortunately, refreshing a game also takes up time and the game is not visible while the table is refreshing.
Additional details:
The “time remaining clocks” of players and spectators do not count down while animations are occurring. This can be seen in the two streaming video excerpts showing an 8 second delay and 17 second delay (links pasted below). Although the active player’s clocks resume counting down once the animations have finished, they start with the time remaining that the player had before their turn started, rather than with the correct time remaining that also reflects the time it took for the animations to run. Because of this, even under the best connection circumstances, players and spectators see a clock that suggests that the active player has more time remaining than they actually have. Although the active player’s time remaining is “reset” to be consistent with the BGA server’s time once they’ve finished their turn, the time discrepancy persists throughout their turn, making it possible for them to run out of time without realizing it. The two video clips above show that clock discrepancies due to animations can be as much as 17 seconds.
Although this phenomena is only likely to critically impact a player on their last turn (or two) of a fixed-time tournament game, it is not uncommon for players in the World Team Carcassonne Online Championship (WTCOC) to finish games with less than 3 seconds remaining (e.g. 8 out of 205 games played in the first 3 weeks of WTCOC 2025, including 3 players that exceeded the time limit and lost their game as a result).
8 second delay: www.youtube.com/clip/Ugkxa58R5JPxlensRsux1AWFtNnmj_h38GVm
17 second delay: www.youtube.com/clip/UgkxSoBfYPO4q_W3AFiMh3sxiDCX5ClGa7ZU • Mikä on selaimesi?
Google Chrome v136
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• Selitä ehdotuksesti tarkasti ja ytimekkäästi, jotta se on ymmärrettävissä niin helposti kuin mahdollista.
In Carcassonne, scoring animations occur after a player completes features during their turn. In other words, the animations occur at the beginning of the following player’s turn. This has two consequences that can severely impact tournament games that use fixed time (rather than incremental) clocks: The following player can’t place a tile or meeple until the animations have finished, and their time-remaining clocks don’t reflect the fact that their time is being consumed while the animations are running. Animations could potentially make it impossible for a player to take their last turn without running out of time because even refreshing the game consumes valuable time.
Players can refresh (F5) the game to skip the remaining animations and re-synch the active player’s clock to be consistent with the BGA server’s time. Unfortunately, refreshing a game also takes up time and the game is not visible while the table is refreshing.
Additional details:
The “time remaining clocks” of players and spectators do not count down while animations are occurring. This can be seen in the two streaming video excerpts showing an 8 second delay and 17 second delay (links pasted below). Although the active player’s clocks resume counting down once the animations have finished, they start with the time remaining that the player had before their turn started, rather than with the correct time remaining that also reflects the time it took for the animations to run. Because of this, even under the best connection circumstances, players and spectators see a clock that suggests that the active player has more time remaining than they actually have. Although the active player’s time remaining is “reset” to be consistent with the BGA server’s time once they’ve finished their turn, the time discrepancy persists throughout their turn, making it possible for them to run out of time without realizing it. The two video clips above show that clock discrepancies due to animations can be as much as 17 seconds.
Although this phenomena is only likely to critically impact a player on their last turn (or two) of a fixed-time tournament game, it is not uncommon for players in the World Team Carcassonne Online Championship (WTCOC) to finish games with less than 3 seconds remaining (e.g. 8 out of 205 games played in the first 3 weeks of WTCOC 2025, including 3 players that exceeded the time limit and lost their game as a result).
8 second delay: www.youtube.com/clip/Ugkxa58R5JPxlensRsux1AWFtNnmj_h38GVm
17 second delay: www.youtube.com/clip/UgkxSoBfYPO4q_W3AFiMh3sxiDCX5ClGa7ZU • Mikä on selaimesi?
Google Chrome v136
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• Mitä näytöllä näkyi kun olit estettynä (Tyhjä ruutu? Osa pelin käyttöliittymästä? Virheilmoitus?)
In Carcassonne, scoring animations occur after a player completes features during their turn. In other words, the animations occur at the beginning of the following player’s turn. This has two consequences that can severely impact tournament games that use fixed time (rather than incremental) clocks: The following player can’t place a tile or meeple until the animations have finished, and their time-remaining clocks don’t reflect the fact that their time is being consumed while the animations are running. Animations could potentially make it impossible for a player to take their last turn without running out of time because even refreshing the game consumes valuable time.
Players can refresh (F5) the game to skip the remaining animations and re-synch the active player’s clock to be consistent with the BGA server’s time. Unfortunately, refreshing a game also takes up time and the game is not visible while the table is refreshing.
Additional details:
The “time remaining clocks” of players and spectators do not count down while animations are occurring. This can be seen in the two streaming video excerpts showing an 8 second delay and 17 second delay (links pasted below). Although the active player’s clocks resume counting down once the animations have finished, they start with the time remaining that the player had before their turn started, rather than with the correct time remaining that also reflects the time it took for the animations to run. Because of this, even under the best connection circumstances, players and spectators see a clock that suggests that the active player has more time remaining than they actually have. Although the active player’s time remaining is “reset” to be consistent with the BGA server’s time once they’ve finished their turn, the time discrepancy persists throughout their turn, making it possible for them to run out of time without realizing it. The two video clips above show that clock discrepancies due to animations can be as much as 17 seconds.
Although this phenomena is only likely to critically impact a player on their last turn (or two) of a fixed-time tournament game, it is not uncommon for players in the World Team Carcassonne Online Championship (WTCOC) to finish games with less than 3 seconds remaining (e.g. 8 out of 205 games played in the first 3 weeks of WTCOC 2025, including 3 players that exceeded the time limit and lost their game as a result).
8 second delay: www.youtube.com/clip/Ugkxa58R5JPxlensRsux1AWFtNnmj_h38GVm
17 second delay: www.youtube.com/clip/UgkxSoBfYPO4q_W3AFiMh3sxiDCX5ClGa7ZU • Mikä on selaimesi?
Google Chrome v136
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• Mitä osaa säännöistä BGA:n sovellus ei noudattanut
In Carcassonne, scoring animations occur after a player completes features during their turn. In other words, the animations occur at the beginning of the following player’s turn. This has two consequences that can severely impact tournament games that use fixed time (rather than incremental) clocks: The following player can’t place a tile or meeple until the animations have finished, and their time-remaining clocks don’t reflect the fact that their time is being consumed while the animations are running. Animations could potentially make it impossible for a player to take their last turn without running out of time because even refreshing the game consumes valuable time.
Players can refresh (F5) the game to skip the remaining animations and re-synch the active player’s clock to be consistent with the BGA server’s time. Unfortunately, refreshing a game also takes up time and the game is not visible while the table is refreshing.
Additional details:
The “time remaining clocks” of players and spectators do not count down while animations are occurring. This can be seen in the two streaming video excerpts showing an 8 second delay and 17 second delay (links pasted below). Although the active player’s clocks resume counting down once the animations have finished, they start with the time remaining that the player had before their turn started, rather than with the correct time remaining that also reflects the time it took for the animations to run. Because of this, even under the best connection circumstances, players and spectators see a clock that suggests that the active player has more time remaining than they actually have. Although the active player’s time remaining is “reset” to be consistent with the BGA server’s time once they’ve finished their turn, the time discrepancy persists throughout their turn, making it possible for them to run out of time without realizing it. The two video clips above show that clock discrepancies due to animations can be as much as 17 seconds.
Although this phenomena is only likely to critically impact a player on their last turn (or two) of a fixed-time tournament game, it is not uncommon for players in the World Team Carcassonne Online Championship (WTCOC) to finish games with less than 3 seconds remaining (e.g. 8 out of 205 games played in the first 3 weeks of WTCOC 2025, including 3 players that exceeded the time limit and lost their game as a result).
8 second delay: www.youtube.com/clip/Ugkxa58R5JPxlensRsux1AWFtNnmj_h38GVm
17 second delay: www.youtube.com/clip/UgkxSoBfYPO4q_W3AFiMh3sxiDCX5ClGa7ZU -
• Onko sääntörikkomus nähtävillä pelin toistossa? Jos kyllä, mikä on siirron numero?
• Mikä on selaimesi?
Google Chrome v136
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• Minkä pelin toiminnon halusit suorittaa?
In Carcassonne, scoring animations occur after a player completes features during their turn. In other words, the animations occur at the beginning of the following player’s turn. This has two consequences that can severely impact tournament games that use fixed time (rather than incremental) clocks: The following player can’t place a tile or meeple until the animations have finished, and their time-remaining clocks don’t reflect the fact that their time is being consumed while the animations are running. Animations could potentially make it impossible for a player to take their last turn without running out of time because even refreshing the game consumes valuable time.
Players can refresh (F5) the game to skip the remaining animations and re-synch the active player’s clock to be consistent with the BGA server’s time. Unfortunately, refreshing a game also takes up time and the game is not visible while the table is refreshing.
Additional details:
The “time remaining clocks” of players and spectators do not count down while animations are occurring. This can be seen in the two streaming video excerpts showing an 8 second delay and 17 second delay (links pasted below). Although the active player’s clocks resume counting down once the animations have finished, they start with the time remaining that the player had before their turn started, rather than with the correct time remaining that also reflects the time it took for the animations to run. Because of this, even under the best connection circumstances, players and spectators see a clock that suggests that the active player has more time remaining than they actually have. Although the active player’s time remaining is “reset” to be consistent with the BGA server’s time once they’ve finished their turn, the time discrepancy persists throughout their turn, making it possible for them to run out of time without realizing it. The two video clips above show that clock discrepancies due to animations can be as much as 17 seconds.
Although this phenomena is only likely to critically impact a player on their last turn (or two) of a fixed-time tournament game, it is not uncommon for players in the World Team Carcassonne Online Championship (WTCOC) to finish games with less than 3 seconds remaining (e.g. 8 out of 205 games played in the first 3 weeks of WTCOC 2025, including 3 players that exceeded the time limit and lost their game as a result).
8 second delay: www.youtube.com/clip/Ugkxa58R5JPxlensRsux1AWFtNnmj_h38GVm
17 second delay: www.youtube.com/clip/UgkxSoBfYPO4q_W3AFiMh3sxiDCX5ClGa7ZU -
• Mitä yritit tehdä tämän pelitoiminnon käynnistymiseksi?
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• Mitä tapahtui kun yritit tehdä tämän (virheilmoitus, pelin tilapalkin viesti, ...)?
• Mikä on selaimesi?
Google Chrome v136
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• Missä vaiheessa peliä ongelma ilmeni (mikä oli silloinen pelin ohje)?
In Carcassonne, scoring animations occur after a player completes features during their turn. In other words, the animations occur at the beginning of the following player’s turn. This has two consequences that can severely impact tournament games that use fixed time (rather than incremental) clocks: The following player can’t place a tile or meeple until the animations have finished, and their time-remaining clocks don’t reflect the fact that their time is being consumed while the animations are running. Animations could potentially make it impossible for a player to take their last turn without running out of time because even refreshing the game consumes valuable time.
Players can refresh (F5) the game to skip the remaining animations and re-synch the active player’s clock to be consistent with the BGA server’s time. Unfortunately, refreshing a game also takes up time and the game is not visible while the table is refreshing.
Additional details:
The “time remaining clocks” of players and spectators do not count down while animations are occurring. This can be seen in the two streaming video excerpts showing an 8 second delay and 17 second delay (links pasted below). Although the active player’s clocks resume counting down once the animations have finished, they start with the time remaining that the player had before their turn started, rather than with the correct time remaining that also reflects the time it took for the animations to run. Because of this, even under the best connection circumstances, players and spectators see a clock that suggests that the active player has more time remaining than they actually have. Although the active player’s time remaining is “reset” to be consistent with the BGA server’s time once they’ve finished their turn, the time discrepancy persists throughout their turn, making it possible for them to run out of time without realizing it. The two video clips above show that clock discrepancies due to animations can be as much as 17 seconds.
Although this phenomena is only likely to critically impact a player on their last turn (or two) of a fixed-time tournament game, it is not uncommon for players in the World Team Carcassonne Online Championship (WTCOC) to finish games with less than 3 seconds remaining (e.g. 8 out of 205 games played in the first 3 weeks of WTCOC 2025, including 3 players that exceeded the time limit and lost their game as a result).
8 second delay: www.youtube.com/clip/Ugkxa58R5JPxlensRsux1AWFtNnmj_h38GVm
17 second delay: www.youtube.com/clip/UgkxSoBfYPO4q_W3AFiMh3sxiDCX5ClGa7ZU -
• Mitä tapahtui kun yritit tehdä tämän pelin toiminnon (virheilmoitus, pelin tilapalkin viesti, ...)?
• Mikä on selaimesi?
Google Chrome v136
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• Kuvaile näyttöongelmaa. Jos sinulla on kuvakaappaus tästä bugista (hyvä käytäntö), voit käyttää valitsemaasi kuvien isännöintipalvelua (snipboard.io ladataksesi sen ja kopioidaksesi/liittääksesi linkin tähän.
In Carcassonne, scoring animations occur after a player completes features during their turn. In other words, the animations occur at the beginning of the following player’s turn. This has two consequences that can severely impact tournament games that use fixed time (rather than incremental) clocks: The following player can’t place a tile or meeple until the animations have finished, and their time-remaining clocks don’t reflect the fact that their time is being consumed while the animations are running. Animations could potentially make it impossible for a player to take their last turn without running out of time because even refreshing the game consumes valuable time.
Players can refresh (F5) the game to skip the remaining animations and re-synch the active player’s clock to be consistent with the BGA server’s time. Unfortunately, refreshing a game also takes up time and the game is not visible while the table is refreshing.
Additional details:
The “time remaining clocks” of players and spectators do not count down while animations are occurring. This can be seen in the two streaming video excerpts showing an 8 second delay and 17 second delay (links pasted below). Although the active player’s clocks resume counting down once the animations have finished, they start with the time remaining that the player had before their turn started, rather than with the correct time remaining that also reflects the time it took for the animations to run. Because of this, even under the best connection circumstances, players and spectators see a clock that suggests that the active player has more time remaining than they actually have. Although the active player’s time remaining is “reset” to be consistent with the BGA server’s time once they’ve finished their turn, the time discrepancy persists throughout their turn, making it possible for them to run out of time without realizing it. The two video clips above show that clock discrepancies due to animations can be as much as 17 seconds.
Although this phenomena is only likely to critically impact a player on their last turn (or two) of a fixed-time tournament game, it is not uncommon for players in the World Team Carcassonne Online Championship (WTCOC) to finish games with less than 3 seconds remaining (e.g. 8 out of 205 games played in the first 3 weeks of WTCOC 2025, including 3 players that exceeded the time limit and lost their game as a result).
8 second delay: www.youtube.com/clip/Ugkxa58R5JPxlensRsux1AWFtNnmj_h38GVm
17 second delay: www.youtube.com/clip/UgkxSoBfYPO4q_W3AFiMh3sxiDCX5ClGa7ZU • Mikä on selaimesi?
Google Chrome v136
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• Ole hyvä ja kopioi teksti englanniksi oman kielesi sijasta. Jos sinulla on kuvakaappaus tästä bugista (hyvä käytäntö), voit käyttää valitsemaasi kuvien isännöintipalvelua (snipboard.io ladataksesi sen ja kopioidaksesi/liittääksesi linkin tähän. Onko tämä teksti saatavilla käännösjärjestelmässä? Jos on, onko sen käännöksestä yli 24 tuntia?
In Carcassonne, scoring animations occur after a player completes features during their turn. In other words, the animations occur at the beginning of the following player’s turn. This has two consequences that can severely impact tournament games that use fixed time (rather than incremental) clocks: The following player can’t place a tile or meeple until the animations have finished, and their time-remaining clocks don’t reflect the fact that their time is being consumed while the animations are running. Animations could potentially make it impossible for a player to take their last turn without running out of time because even refreshing the game consumes valuable time.
Players can refresh (F5) the game to skip the remaining animations and re-synch the active player’s clock to be consistent with the BGA server’s time. Unfortunately, refreshing a game also takes up time and the game is not visible while the table is refreshing.
Additional details:
The “time remaining clocks” of players and spectators do not count down while animations are occurring. This can be seen in the two streaming video excerpts showing an 8 second delay and 17 second delay (links pasted below). Although the active player’s clocks resume counting down once the animations have finished, they start with the time remaining that the player had before their turn started, rather than with the correct time remaining that also reflects the time it took for the animations to run. Because of this, even under the best connection circumstances, players and spectators see a clock that suggests that the active player has more time remaining than they actually have. Although the active player’s time remaining is “reset” to be consistent with the BGA server’s time once they’ve finished their turn, the time discrepancy persists throughout their turn, making it possible for them to run out of time without realizing it. The two video clips above show that clock discrepancies due to animations can be as much as 17 seconds.
Although this phenomena is only likely to critically impact a player on their last turn (or two) of a fixed-time tournament game, it is not uncommon for players in the World Team Carcassonne Online Championship (WTCOC) to finish games with less than 3 seconds remaining (e.g. 8 out of 205 games played in the first 3 weeks of WTCOC 2025, including 3 players that exceeded the time limit and lost their game as a result).
8 second delay: www.youtube.com/clip/Ugkxa58R5JPxlensRsux1AWFtNnmj_h38GVm
17 second delay: www.youtube.com/clip/UgkxSoBfYPO4q_W3AFiMh3sxiDCX5ClGa7ZU • Mikä on selaimesi?
Google Chrome v136
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• Selitä ehdotuksesti tarkasti ja ytimekkäästi, jotta se on ymmärrettävissä niin helposti kuin mahdollista.
In Carcassonne, scoring animations occur after a player completes features during their turn. In other words, the animations occur at the beginning of the following player’s turn. This has two consequences that can severely impact tournament games that use fixed time (rather than incremental) clocks: The following player can’t place a tile or meeple until the animations have finished, and their time-remaining clocks don’t reflect the fact that their time is being consumed while the animations are running. Animations could potentially make it impossible for a player to take their last turn without running out of time because even refreshing the game consumes valuable time.
Players can refresh (F5) the game to skip the remaining animations and re-synch the active player’s clock to be consistent with the BGA server’s time. Unfortunately, refreshing a game also takes up time and the game is not visible while the table is refreshing.
Additional details:
The “time remaining clocks” of players and spectators do not count down while animations are occurring. This can be seen in the two streaming video excerpts showing an 8 second delay and 17 second delay (links pasted below). Although the active player’s clocks resume counting down once the animations have finished, they start with the time remaining that the player had before their turn started, rather than with the correct time remaining that also reflects the time it took for the animations to run. Because of this, even under the best connection circumstances, players and spectators see a clock that suggests that the active player has more time remaining than they actually have. Although the active player’s time remaining is “reset” to be consistent with the BGA server’s time once they’ve finished their turn, the time discrepancy persists throughout their turn, making it possible for them to run out of time without realizing it. The two video clips above show that clock discrepancies due to animations can be as much as 17 seconds.
Although this phenomena is only likely to critically impact a player on their last turn (or two) of a fixed-time tournament game, it is not uncommon for players in the World Team Carcassonne Online Championship (WTCOC) to finish games with less than 3 seconds remaining (e.g. 8 out of 205 games played in the first 3 weeks of WTCOC 2025, including 3 players that exceeded the time limit and lost their game as a result).
8 second delay: www.youtube.com/clip/Ugkxa58R5JPxlensRsux1AWFtNnmj_h38GVm
17 second delay: www.youtube.com/clip/UgkxSoBfYPO4q_W3AFiMh3sxiDCX5ClGa7ZU • Mikä on selaimesi?
Google Chrome v136
Raportin historia
boardgamearena.com/bug?id=169517
But even if that can be fixed, some might prefer to simply turn off the animations. Players can already disable animations in the games Lost Ruins of Arnak and Terraforming Mars.
Although this isn't a big problem under normal BGA circumstances (Waiwai1202 couldn't have been expelled by their opponent in this case), this particular tournament had an additional rule that makes exceeding the time limit an automatic loss.
video excerpt: www.youtube.com/clip/UgkxyY_3lb3hdvvdsVnVrgD-JGypHfcNlBIC
table: boardgamearena.com/table?table=668296048
In my game at table #boardgamearena.com/table?table=674822456 the following happened:
I had 8 seconds left after finishing my penultimate move. Then I received a CCRR as my last tile. There was a spot to claim a 7 point road which was the most valuable feature to claim. So I positioned my cursor above it getting ready to quickly place my tile and meeple within these 8 seconds as soon as my opponent places his penultimate tile. But with that tile he finished a 4 point city and at that moment I realized that I won't have 8 seconds because I would lose at least 4 seconds due to the animation!
Unfortunately for me, I had to place the meeple on the road on the CCRR tile, which is not that easy to do in such a short time (positioning the cursor right above that small road piece is difficult). Therefore I made a sudden (and fatal) decision not to place the meeple on the road, but on the city which is a bit easier task (because it's a larger feature): it was worth only 4 points but at least I wouldn't lose by time. (I have achieved this: after my move I still had 1 second left on my clock.)
But this allowed my opponent to take the road, which was now worth 8 points, and with that he won the game by 1 point. This would not have happened without the time-consuming animation.
Lisää jotain tähän raporttiin
- Toinen pöydän tunnus / siirron numero
- Ratkaisiko F5 ongelman?
- Ilmestyykö ongelma useita kertoja? Joka kerta? Satunnaisesti?
- Jos sinulla on kuvakaappaus tästä bugista (hyvä käytäntö), voit käyttää valitsemaasi kuvien isännöintipalvelua (snipboard.io ladataksesi sen ja kopioidaksesi/liittääksesi linkin tähän.
