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#23454: "Different mouse pointer for the "Shield end game points" table"

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31. Aug 2020 09:28 • fred_eli • Kehittäjät eivät ole vielä tutkineet tätä ehdotusta:

Would it be unnecessary luxury to exploit this table for the player ?
* directly pointing the associated points for the current situation (not visible in the main/personnal board) for the player or all the players (for the known +1) - May help on phone too if it hides the x(y) info. Might use rows of coloured houses maybe ? and/or a surrounding circle for the current player ?
* check sign (or colored house) where the player has an outpost. Would sort of hightlight the missing ones
* minus sign (or other) where he lacks an outpost for his objectives

31. Aug 2020 14:57 • hersh • Kehittäjät eivät ole vielä tutkineet tätä ehdotusta:

switched cursor, but haven't changed anything in the pop-up yet.

I could list all players and # of known shields in the pop-up.

Not sure about highlighting which are missing. maybe just for the player and not opponents?

I would add if x(y) info is missing on phone I would say it's a display bug, it should appear for mobile users as well.

31. Aug 2020 15:32 • fred_eli • Kehittäjät eivät ole vielä tutkineet tätä ehdotusta:

1/ New cursor : Thanks !
2/ To easily see/compute how much points you're late, seeing points (as opposed to x(y) already seen on the boards) might be nice
3/ Yep, for the player (missing from the goal).
4/ I was meaning : x(y) might be hidden (behind) on smaller displays
Thank you for your reactivity !

31. Aug 2020 17:49 • hersh • Kehittäjien mielestä idea on hyvä ja he aikovat työstää sitä:

deployed the changes. I didn't use the trading post but player name and html symbol (green check mark).

i'll leave this open in case I misunderstood something.

1. Sep 2020 11:59 • fred_eli • Kehittäjien mielestä idea on hyvä ja he aikovat työstää sitä:

I like the green marks, thanks !
VP do not show very well in the text. What about using the usual VP icon (laurel crown) ?
Thanks !

1. Sep 2020 19:21 • fred_eli • Kehittäjien mielestä idea on hyvä ja he aikovat työstää sitä:

For the red cross, I was thinking about something like that :
imgur.com/a/OD8s9Df
Showing where you would have 1+1 (through the goal).
Double green might show where you have your specialized 1+1.
And the remaining unspecialized +1.

For simplicity, we might have no double green/double red, and have global remaining +1 (like in in the individual board)

1. Sep 2020 19:24 • fred_eli • Kehittäjien mielestä idea on hyvä ja he aikovat työstää sitä:

(sorry, should be 22 points in the image !)

1. Sep 2020 21:15 • hersh • Kehittäjien mielestä idea on hyvä ja he aikovat työstää sitä:

What does single/double red imply? maybe have a grey check mark and double grey check mark to match goal cards? then they light up as you visit the spots.

I would still leave the VP below along with opponents, unless opponents seems unnecessary.

2. Sep 2020 00:29 • fred_eli • Kehittäjien mielestä idea on hyvä ja he aikovat työstää sitä:

If we foresee the green checks to sum up to the right number of shields (including +1 from goal cards),
then the red checks would only appear in pairs to match double green. It highlights the fact that 2 levels spots are available/reached.
In other presentations, special symbols (or colors) might design reached/unvisited spots from the card goals.

5. Sep 2020 18:20 • hersh • Tämä ehdotus on toteutettu:

double marks deployed.

5. Sep 2020 19:14 • fred_eli • Tämä ehdotus on toteutettu:

Thanks ! I find it very synthetic and elegant. With just the VP for every player, very easy to read too.
Hope that other players like it also :-)

I find it SO elegant, that I'm wondering wether the related display on the player boards should be what it is (i.e. the +1 shield icon followed by 0(shield total)...) What about directly displaying the VP from the shields, as it's the competitive information ? With a specific icon (I wonder which one...), or VP icon ? You even might have the same help pointer and trigger the nice table from this spot.
If you find this interesting, should I create a new suggestion for this point ?

Thanks again for this new display !

5. Sep 2020 21:05 • hersh • Tämä ehdotus on toteutettu:

prefer to keep player mats with +1 shield as the game has animation when you collect a 'resource'.

for example if you fulfill a contract giving +1 shield, a little shield goes from the contract to the +1 shield indicator.

5. Sep 2020 21:08 • fred_eli • Tämä ehdotus on toteutettu:

Not sure, but I have the impression I had to reload (F5) to have the double cross updated after picking my goal card (staying on the same game, from the init to that step)

5. Sep 2020 21:18 • fred_eli • Tämä ehdotus on toteutettu:

animation is fine ! But it can be a temporary object that disappears in the end anyway, can't it ?

6. Sep 2020 00:28 • hersh • Tämä ehdotus on toteutettu:

yes i need to fix the f5 issue, will fix in the next push.

thinking players might get confused if the # goes up more than 1. if you get a +1 shield you expect the number to go up by 1 and not number of VPs.

6. Sep 2020 08:41 • fred_eli • Tämä ehdotus on toteutettu:

If the target icon is the same as the flying icon, yes it's confusing.
But if we have a dedicated target icon on the board, to "those points that you get by having shields in the right outposts as well as +1 shields" (or just VP icon with the right hint text) that is different... it just shows that this flying icon contribute to somewhat different (just like selling ressources might gain money and or points)

What about clicking on each player board "+1" icon (or its replacement) to open the table too ? Might help beginners to link this strange "x(y)" text (which is much more complicated than the used/available outpost houses

6. Sep 2020 16:21 • hersh • Tämä ehdotus on toteutettu:

there isn't much space for left on the player mat for certain resolution (1680x) so am trying to avoid putting another icon. I removed VP icon which is the original macro polo, to make space.

will make the text clickable.

6. Sep 2020 18:39 • fred_eli • Tämä ehdotus on toteutettu:

I agree MPII players boards are wider and it's less cumfortable than with the original MP.
What about having the icons and their values in a columned "table" ?
Icons on one row, and the values just below (or above)

7. Sep 2020 02:20 • hersh • Tämä ehdotus on toteutettu:

made it clickable. not sure on the column, prefer to keep similar to original. using some of same code. can open another suggestion and if it has enough interest can re-examine.

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